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GUNNING SHIRE INQUIRY
ENGINEER AND
CLERK
EVIDENCE TAKEN
TWO DAYS' SESSION
In the Gunning Courthouse, Mr.
B. H. Nolan, the Commissioner,
commenced a departmental pub
:lic.inquiry irito the:suspension of
t-he..engineer of .the Gunning
.Shlre Councilh :
There was considerable public in
tcirest, and"te -h court 'was' crowded.
Tle -Comnilssibner :statod' :thit .:the
Coudncil's aessons foi. the suspension,;
hivch l w.ei as follows? :':': .
(1) That the' Eingineer is a pi hrty
to al consthnti qqiarlrel with the 'Slire
Clek; (2) .:.That after a 'warning by
the cournctl iven at.the meeting held
on' Decemieri 18; 1933, "the 'quarrel
still continues; (3) That in the opin
'i?o' o'f the' counil, tihe.e failure of ihe
nigineer ao wvork in harmony with the
Shlir a-Clels" is detrimental to the in
terests an'd discipline: of ihe council.
Mnr Lajison, the engineer, liad ask
d for?' an' enquiry under section 99.
Mi Tir.'Tonmas aps aried for Mr. Law
son, a'nd Mii P? . Meyer for the
council. Mr. Allman was present to
listen to tie .case on behalf of. the
Ehgi??e?,s' Assoc~iation ' "'.
Cusirleos Henry Boxall, shire gclerk
of the 'Gu nning' Shire Council since
Febiusry, 1931, to Mr. Meyer stated
thiat the position when he c'ame as far.
as the accountancy was concerned
wa?i? opeless. ,
In answer toithe Commissioner Mr.
Meyei coritended tiat tihe Commis
sioner could not take a proper focus
ofthe case until it was: shown what
led up to the difficulty it had.a deep.i
relevancy to thie final, result.'
M.TilioiT 'as: Certain :reasons hav
to le given for the. suspension, and
tlheSe irasons sare thie only matters'
cancerning which the esiquiry dan be
held. The questions 'we're: Were
here repeated quarreis between these
two men, what was said, and what
was the .cause, of the quarrels.
Mr. Meyer: We take the. stand that
t was not a quarrel that took place,
ntermittently it was something thatl
vas thlere all the time, and wve .are
titld tplace bef re ,you the: cr
cumstances whli created that patpos
tion..
iele Commissi ner:i cl pf t these
tlia have taken -place. in 1931 I. don'L
ihink !are vital to this inqutry.' h/,j ey,
can, e de'lt laIth in evidence .nbut I
diin t'think that they are wanted
"Witness said that ,tlie .first titme
that lie complained t the engineer
was in Decemn)er, 1931 .'
M tlr.iiomias: Are, e, going, backto
i931? 9t
The Commissioner: .The. circu,
stances leading up to the quarrel iae
pertinent. lo 'foi:
M iiuomias. A cnimplaintiregad-,
ing a fellow-servant must be. in .writ
ing . . , , i :^ :
Tiin 'Commissioner: It all depqends
an ,he interpreta in of; . te ord
'iiuariel."
. 4'lr.homas: A israrrel is a comi
iaow it down.
The witness alleged that practic"
ally the'whole tIrouble was caused by
the inaccuiracies' submitted by .i:Mr.r
Lawson. ' He gave. lengthy evidence
concerning vouchers -which lie .said
were the subject ft alteirations,, re
castings, , aind' amendments., T lThese
docuiiments .i(produced) awere some
times altered by witness, and some
times sent, back to;ithe, enginee for
taltestion .
At this stage,. i. Thomas d
that hiil witnesses be asked to leave
tile- cou t... :.?, . . ":,;:. ,:-... .; : ':"i i: .;. :
Tile Commiissioinegi They"shouiild
"ot belhese ,:':.?? :.
iMr. M1eyer: I definitely, requirei: the
iersident of the Shlie 'concinl l.i ee
to instncrut n e. ' :; l
The Commi?ssioner`; : I h nk ?tlnk t
tuiidle'r tilee :circumsteances al wit
'nesses should retire. : "
'All the. witiesses then left
:If thle amonlilts .: :tile :.voilcheirs
wliat had been i!nlid, continued wit
ness, theli iwvuld liri.ve beeii poiunds
oiut; aind m:ig~lt hadve to b'ie "repald.
Tl'e break occilrled in;l December,
when ihe s'eilt a tlme-sheet: lbahck to:
Lawson, who lhd not signed it.': Law
son said, "iYou are s d- o':ld narrk,
and you aie too d-- particular.": Mr.
Malalyon and M1iss Lawson .were there
at thee time. Tlhere wiis a lot said on
botilides W'itiitess' ordered L?w;son
oi of tlie office. and ihe went .9it in
a sllow of bad "ttemper.
'Coidncernlng a contract for rboad
,olk let ?o IKeegan, thile engineer had
di an it li th?it it 'had to bi;e co?m
lieted on tlhe sime day. thit it w'is.
sig?ed. It had to be sentif bahiikc'withi
out Keegan's ?consent. :W:itnss' iilso
dI'reow til? ConciLl's 'attention .at thile:
December meetil g that tile m intain
snce ,clause lad niot been filled In.
Tile EIginee thlien filled it in. "He
then said :iit:h the Cleik had stoleii
a:lot 'of 'eiiiforinent ot of the
slire yard to make hen houses. Wit
ness had taken it out of the rubbish
hashi and pafid for it.
i" A WARNING ISSUED: ,
:..They weri;e both warned at tills
meeting tlhat the quarrels. must
cease.
,Concerning a tender from Webl
tel': for a proposed cros~iig ''oval
.Preston's Creek, the Council would
lit ac'ncept 'if, biut asked that It again
be 'submitted, leaving out tihe cart
age of sand. It was left to the Pre
sident 'to finalisec. Later, the presid
ent said that hlie had not been con:
sulted, and witness then reported
that a tender had been wrongly let
by the Engineer. At the September
meeting tle Engineer said thlat he
took no notice of thle minutes wrlt
tell by the clerk, that tliey
were falked. When thle pie:
sident told the engineer that the
clerk was the chief -administrative
offlcer of tilhe couincil hliesaid that
the clerk was not over him:and iiel
would not take ahny orders froim
him. He blew off tile .same wa';y as
he usually :did 'when a :c'dmplaint
,was made.
Mi' Meyeri: What was his miake
lup?
Mr. Thomas: Do yeu mean lipstick?
SWitness: He takes 'the attitude that
he is a law unto -limiiself: :and it is in
D~osible :to: g?t on with him. Outside
the office :he:s sa. ver'y d eent feilow.
If witness had not made a correc
tion on one voucher an employee
wouild have been overpaid. £1. He
told thie counil' that hlie was not go
ing to send baick any more to ..Mr.
Lawson, as he abused him. He got
sick ofit. Relations became strailied
between them. He would not give tile:
engineer particulars of progress pay
ments, as he slhould keelp his own rie
cords. That was tilhe only particulars.
that hei ever refused. Whiin thl: en
.ineer haad anything to deilveir h'
just threw it oii tie taile 'aind "vwHiaed
iut.' Since :December they iiad oinly
spoken on ~td r'if, matters. Thi.e.
wee a lot omatterl that hiadt' it e
discus~eid betwSen 'ile cleic' ahi the
engineelr, that was :?viy tihe position
became intolerable, aind itness was
piepared to resign.- .".
:Particulars of tose were not. sup-i
:flied. Regarditng 'tores and materials
the auditor's report stated that tie'
2lerk and the engineer should hbe
instructed :to collaborate tvitlh' a view
:o a better systeni of keeping' ac
counts. "
CROSS-EXAMINATION
Mr. Thomas: Up to December; 1933,
all matters had :been piactically
.ettled?-No, that is not right; it
was, the first time that there was an
ipen quarrel;
,Witjiesf 'dii "h'ot': renieml,'e;'eCr .
Aidill saying at the last inmetiiinghat;
it took' two to iake 'a quarrel. Me
said that .ie wiould be pireparedý !to:
resigh. "'It' .was :'noti'a .'threat.* He did'
not lhave any quairrel with lMr. Iaw
son when lie h irst came.
iThe engineer:, wasnopt ropely do
ing. his duty?-Who to?
Mr.T Thalls'm:bi' lask iie 'lues
tions' Ii'i Irisw ''' ,' ' 9'
,iTh'ere'L was ani "pe ':ruptule' in''De
cenhbir'ai;id 'you We'tin' likei a'0pair
sof childreni: Did yddiis.'iajyTdii$age
to 'hifia' au'se'very'lthe - r
liWitness Tihe 'Abigiefs'tooikeccep
'tior wlilen witn"ess senhisti V14wit
ten notice' of awhat was li e' lje'i
he cbincil Witness said that lhe''be
ieved-'tlie figuris. were corrn ect, 'bhit
e hdeclind to: takeid 'thd rsioissibil
ity .Tis did not'lead t' the differ
.ece of opiion; Tlie steamii rolleir was
hired to the 'Main lRoads Boarid.'
iou aiiowed -'hii toii t up steani
ithout :consulting :the engineer?
The engineer wass told that the coun
1i1 had let tlieiroller.,
Does. not theioridinance say :that
the enkineer shall have jcharge of all
material and . implements fori the
.work?-The president is the cliief ad
nministrator: of. the council.
.Mr. -Thomnas: What'; I: say is that
the presidenti might, authorise a thing
to: be done, but the roller should not
hdve been taken out." without the
autlhiority:, of thes engineer.
Up to Decembers witness! had tried
to .work in harmnony with the engi
sneesr.He tooklthet coTinll-into his con
'fidence, but everything was done
openly in fiont of. thlei.englneer.
vAUERS ':';VVIAD'.' l" ENCE '
. ; i ,, , ' '. " .'. ·' -,? " . . . '
Jonlin Rolaind iMedwa? ipresident of
al;er to' tihe: Gunning Shire Council,
gave eivdence''that hO was in the
clderik '"office: whlni' MI ';Lawson put
:ao 61iher or soniething on the table.
Tife clerk retul ied it; but Mr. Law
son brought it back. Aftier Mr. Boxall
returned it the second time Mr. Law
sobfi canie inh:and said, :"You are a
(I-:- old nari.k; I have a inind .'to pull
yoilr nose."' He hhd' always got along
weil with botlh of tlhem.It Was the
only :ocaseiontlit'. t 'iie' heardd any
back-firing between Mr. Boxall and
Mr. Lawson.
.THE PRESIDENT
.:Jdmn Roland Medwaiy, president of
the Gunning. Shire Council, gave evid
ence that the clerk had always made
available any records..The engineer's
conduct at. the September meeting
was rathler abusive: ' When hlie was
leaving the meeting he said, "I don't
care a d--' for your council;" When
vitiess spoke to.him the morning of
theo meeting, Lawson said, "VWhat are
yout going :to do to me.:to-day?" He
said, 'Piobably suspend-you." . Law
eon: said,. 'Do .you- know that you andi
Cr.i Aidill h:ave been trading with the
council'"' Tihere was no truith what
evei in this. statement. When hlie dis
ptuted the correctness of the minutes,
Cr. I-IHeffirnan said that it was a slur
on the council. On another occasion,
at the mieeting about last December,
Mir. Lawson was a bit obstreperous.
He accused Mr. Boxall of thieving.
Witness had no personal feelings
in the matter, and was only concern
ed with the interests of the shire.
He thought that they would not be
able to carry on s:atisfactorily, two
officers in that p!isitioni;
Mr. Thomas. What sort of an en
(Continued on Page 6.)

GUNNING SHIRE INQUIRY

6111ed," :I i? 41r: ":?~BIi?:?i ?~".d?'t:?:ai;.;l'
gineex is t14 .i i4 ildY
iar's thiat llo y tll, attltlde, to
-No.
a,1 yo O ev0:e0 COmlllllhii fom 1ll0 1931
to 1Y33' -No;. '
Art you luve ?Illowed ithe Goveln
mient mo1n00 to go utioiier h1Idi cOitI 01
1nu put peo01le0 tIl the epaelse oem
I l0uylg l a',in enogiuhlnelr oi. s ".' 'Jus
tir",'; Y es. .( .. .::
Wiltness EouId1 not siyu thtlt ilt
clei'k ciniilailhe ai 'tho | ,Ili. >::,
ilo o011 lo(1slit 11ibiObio01 Itwo oc
1sions1--' Ys.
T111' onilyilthinbgs you31,, e0l ?,?.gailnst
him is wIhait. the lelk told 3i011i
Tey 1 c3Cl'L 't ag.eO Tlhere wan11 (11s n
stilit V.i'uil eili' Onl' it11 h0W Oti tOi
11r ivhich~you i~itly linoir' dli( 1
(aidinls?-Yesd:
hollosdrew,. uip lth? ,i'esolutlon, ,sus;
pendin g htfin--the 'clerkt?-1-i .aked hin|
C0onci.1iii.gtiilte liloi??li i ilou 'si01
thatl you woulld buy i.ltand. Or. :StaI?'
said, '"yol o cult do tlhitt,; becauise: ybu
ar1 trading with° the. conni.-No.;
iltles,i ciontiillng, slild thit tile
engiOieerl haid "o1nly Woil' 00ed' 0 1.0
Ils knowIledge dii a Stifithl:liit; "ll
on til: Collectoi: Hill, TIey: wlnitetl
about .a .quai'ter of an .hour .fo::hlim.
.Mr. Boxyall pai? two shillings ort th..
stuffY '(Wititless .gave li1 pe11rmission.
10eplygti : t lio . -leyer;,"' witness
thought tht .it: was. Ml'. Bliett ~hlio
recollmmendled tlle ,Vol.diig of. thie re
solutioll of suspensiOl.n.. .

THE SECOND' DAY' .
Mr. Tlhloilas coiild 'not be preselnt
oil tile secoiidli day.
MrI·. Allman ; sidt thnt it'·was rather
sprllung on him.to tsie .ll tile case. on
aelialf aof li.. Lass son,ia lo o10il bee?.
I ilred of l t IO, 'ltcati.tle. ie was it
ii (iisadvliitnta
'ir. Meyer. I (.'llt objiect i' t
eithler 'Ir. Aillaui :o' \tr- Laows6o
lmust a.ski tlhe ,itnllessessthe .qulestions
not both, of thenl,
Mr.I La'wson stid tliii?t e wo ud
coinduct the d 'crss-ex iaiatiiist.la ;'''
.Mlr. Bernard: :ioslkiis, in\alingei'. o
\Vildle'radeen, Station;. and: a: council:
lor of the .Gunning Shil;e·" Council;
gave, evidence?tlh?t-Is. h1(ad,: been 1pr
sidlcnt for tw0o'years. Tihe clerlk fre
q(~ently bioua1git up .mattie st dialing
\\ith Mr: Loiwson' , hdnlnistiation,
iand chailenged 1his figures. At first
tile engineer Vould not adlmit .llthat
they were Wrong; but, attel tile .mat-.
ters were thiraseld out, they 0w1e,
1re10ed to be 'wronlg in ever'y case.
By wllhat hlie saw :St thle table, theen
gineer did:not iapieari to be amnisalith
to. discipline. On' oie occasidan.lle ac
cusedl. the clerk:.of thieving . council
proplerty.
Mr. Meyeri - 'Yoil recall .that" lie
would not accept the miniutes, the;
were faked?-Yes, :sonle 'wortds to
that effect,. theycould be tfaked:
To. Mr...Law\son: ,,Olenrally-thle en:
gilneer started the qilurriels.:. Wi\'tness
told hlim thiat 'ie" sho'lad 'kis a. re
colrd bf colitiact paiyilellnts, a'l:d thiat
hie oughtlblt to have a:. dpillcate ,of timne
sheets for hisown Sake. -7, -.,
Johlli Halrrisoii, .engineer. .oif .the
Mulwilree shire CoiilEii for .the past
5. yetars, gave evlddi'ce ·'tliti 11li 'hld
sole control :f' elmplayfig liid-:dis
missing men. He didl.:not maike :iup:.thle
Lime-sheets and,.allocate th expgndit.
1re. He hald access to tile books, and
also cblntrol 01",1 thi:e sliiie il?ntl:l
'ir. F'ratcisdM6rgdih' 'ridier iuln
ning Shire Counmiloir, said' that': at
the. meeting .w'len, tile enginear:,,waq
suspenlded it wvas ?a personal quarrel.
He 'asin 1favoiul' fa silsiiilin, bb'dt
thile clerk and .tle'elengie'ei?.?' ' i..:?
Mr. Lawson: Did you see any of my
iralscible, caiitsnkei0n5,l u p ragmlatic
Coldldn t'--No,?¢ ',,., -..,.t,
Mi. Mlyer~ When th'e'clerk report
ed these niatters,, did the engineer
Ibecome anlnoyed or agitated' -Tihey
both seemled to be ,hno;eil.', d .

ENGINEER'S EVIDENCiE,: -
'Thomas. James t.a.,w?sort gave evid
en?e: that -lie ihad .beenir engineer doi,
the Gunning 'Shire. for, seven years,
1and twenty-tlhree year.s in thie Local,
Government serviice Wfiien lie first
met the clerk; in $e csnail tialk'outsid.
tle :office,, the:. clerk said, . "if you
want any flglit you can have it .from
me."
The clerk reper:ted 'aitness to.couir
cil for diawing a privirte: lbililing
pilan. He-did it to 'i?eli a ratepaBiyeri
andl so that it could :be dealt'with: at
thie meeting. :?The. clerk told witness
that he wo'uld pot him to thie associai
tiolln. Tire council disin issed theimat-,
teIr ras triviii: 'Th "cleii.:wovbuild i?ge
linm by srdyirig, 'H, y"yoi?,',
i There'wasetroubile over tire .cleric
not addingt xclhange to;\ Mor torte
dcheiues. Hle ushiriri have rdinoe.so.
lie urseu i anrpro, per expressionirbe
fore his girl ass?sitalit (thre '?waords
were written dowefli ,'.:: -0 ::.:.-:f
The clerk had -altered the? office
hourns, although ftere, was a't r"solit
tion on the h !os oncerninE tlt s.t.H
rdid not ierll?ort this to('tlle ,Lcort?il.
T"he aiditbo i.: .repl.dtet'that3-.l h d
vance accoiiitt rbdtokir:shbiidi. ie':. kdpt
',When, witness' took ,it ,-n n'thie !clerk[
said, "Take it 01t, . Ie d ii'tj : )ant: l t.:'W
In reply to the Coin??issioner,; :wit:
ness saidt thi'tl tlie leFit'migh't havIe
got thie auditor td' pl it ilo d tdamiil'
him.
The Commfissdloner :':.:On:';at .do:
you basgq ypour oplinipi?-.Knlowingr. tre
inature of tlie min.
On one occasinri the: clIrk:si d s t
\witness, in dotunclli "Yonu gi;ie orne thir
belly-ache:" . On aiother occasloffhe
said that hie.woald piirich the.. report
er on the nosif he re putgomethinkg.in.
Thie clerkic ohstrrictted .hiin i his
duty. He. had to i yalt tlil'qe0 norlit S
for memio books,. thougli there was a
resolutidti' arithb lrig' tliip'ii'r"l'lc'iise'
O'n. one 'odcasion.'thec'hclrrk" dsirld;:: " '
wln lr..inch. you.on thie, nose.'." Thatn
was his .pharacterlistic ,ttltude, if you
disagrgeed ivith lirm', he would fighit.
Whenr witness iisked for a business
sheet of the meeting; the: clerk re
fused.. When mentioned in counlcil,
Cr'. Ard.ll said, "You listen, the salne.
as I lave to tdo,"
'The Coiiinrissioner: Diid you get i
colpy?--No. Laissez faire.
When witness'iasked the man who
cas taking laway the roller hie saidul
that lie was sent by the M'Lain Itoads
Board.i A few days later hlie saw
ncen tlaking aw'ay a concreto nlixer.
[teferring to thile minuites, hre hadl
ionever usedl thie word' "fakiing."
Mr. Meyer: Are we to takce it, then,
that flrm, thie imoment hie saw you
that yeu were at ar'ms-length ?-'i'lThec
moment he sl\rn me 1ie uttereud those
words.
Can I take it that that is charac.
teristic of him?--'You can tnake it
how you like.
\Well, that is what you say?-Abso
lutely, Ie .would fight with' anybodly.
It \n.rs .ris. aggressive attitudte 'that
crirsed [, l tire . difflell ty. Witlle-s

a entleman. "'1he clerki s attuto
" o toV' , i i . 'hi.; . . \?. .: ,ti;ll ?as tanclu,
avoided.; af qul
-H-towototen? did-eour r eturns comei
.iail.k foi?nit?entnienty, oiWa?? ' iieli
110 thie tovo yetiiis anit si ix ocintli
tliere ?ereie' 34: ?is thatit wlnt y?u c~alli
now ·td CltheIn '?--A lot of: illhse ai
just a ,luiestuon f i.:lateliet:lr ui'in le
toween the dierkliii n fice. ,
You 01 ntietllem' in ini :llthis' .chaotic
foimt-" -Not 'dlihlotic foi n the ,e
.lear enoigh toi le.
.: lilt tput. these mnlistales 1 down o 1i.s
to humnan taicleintity-3 Ls.ii lii
that tiiientiiei~el iewre d300 pu't tht'oua
in ii'?lob::: ::.An':l tlhem 'V: 00'e0e 01 i'es
W:e. wi.i put. it lifn:a: frhl 'way ?i'~bxll
lid1altotel these.- waies..llliiets ,:uli.
uqiieltiy, anii lie tliht not Ire?,itoyou 3
Antip they oei ve llald 01 tile lilte eli
iigh es? -Yes
Whefia yoU mate a iiitsatii?o ;linc
duty.was, it to llake te ae.ithrlatibs
--if -he likedl to" millie til iilteiiatins
lie coild lease liamsel. ,
.1-il': did 1t0 'it" ',hltl' feil it" is a' lies
tion- qfi opinl ion o ir, not? .-N t alwoi ,s
.And so these elrors lle laust a lqul
tioi of .talibililty? Yesp. pressuire, 0i
work, too. "
inIh somie cases wr'ong 'anloulnts
woouldi' have beell lildl. : -'.
The l.Conllnissiollner: The llellk- hlas
to cerltify; every aiccoullti.. It 0 WOlr .
be kniown tiollit e1?1i cco1lnt woutld b
chlecked: Thie liiestlon is wluit eitec,
has this halid :odllieilg 1 the lu11 "?ti'l
hbetween lir. .Boxall alnlil. M iLwsLsoin.
11l. leyer: I .,as lprohlucillg,; or
two reisoIlns. Fist, y'ul have to ,take
l'to corisidelatioff .lhiat was sild, at
tuiia i'iit--lat Ileeiilig' anti:' seca?.idly,
owhetthei. tils Is' codisonalit witlih that?
i.3ir Iley? er:. :. ,ould. ytr '.sa:y thiti
these contillually. comlilg igl.iia
oehiiia'fi orm w?0uld nolt?/.e a1 i . u
:tiii'ing eleient-- No
.4Wiei they li'ere tint bhiak yoiur i
tenuon was drawno ito. these :amenii
ments l-He neer-i--. '
. u.ge.oft at a tangent Alhen
tlhese iilitelralios?' occu?l' eti ,so; fr
tieli:itly did' n:ot ':Bolxli:sn:i' thfit It
was :infair to seni'dl thlenml ii:'' tiii
aWty..?--s. o.- :.::"' e.2 ' :, ,,.:.:,[ ...
pAuldIlt't any clerk take exceltlion'
It dlepends on tile lmlla.ll, ,,...
\Vitness: He neverl' apl)roalelii ie.
Sli.3levi: B He 03inly came 'litt?o 3ir
10oom to say somethilig insliltitlg'
Uur .relations ,were, strictly oftici4.
'Boxall said that as .a fellow offt,cr
ydu owere diflicult to get on 00itlhl But
outside the oftice you were uilite a
good fellow, andi is tlhit tie aittitudei
you. adotpt towards hilm?- -li my otini
ion Boxall is no .gentemlan;.-..

Do. you soy that .this .statemnent
mifode by Boxall dtoesn't t1ill)0 to yus
illn the slightest?--iNo!'
You used to draw planss?--[ d-ev
one planso :
Sounlimit .lit. do?a .... H0ow; many
plans" fl itiswerled thiat estuon
ia would be used 'iainslt me
je Tlhd :Cosiinitssioner- Yi" nlied ?'i8t
answver anythiig that Inay- be:: us?dfl
in f.i tlhei hiurceedings. s:sc
SI riepl":,toi thle Connlssiloner, awit
ne~sis 'tlioght that "leceilise?joxill ac
aeptueil £ 00 less, ;bncti'-l'may 'its?h
him toido.the-stlme.:
: i Mr.leyer': Do.you..tellitlie Coni:
tissionertbthat.t ohtl is onec;0oft ,tle
ihiiings sott Ilave .je'ii-.s m-utfiolg
'That was one of tloe crtl.itliiits
causes?--.Jt lid not e"ffectt:me_ in tllt'
slightest. :
- MIr. Meyer:: And .yet you Iouglht it
oup' :Cbnceir oficng o ifimos, If tils
masn wia usiirplng: ti?e tinctions' of
tlhe equncil, aihy did you not tell the
cplncil?-I .wootuld- halve got- nio satis
faqtion. .i
'iThe coilncill are a bodly of honlour
able menii wlia ;,iould have Iirought
iimnpatial. minds to beto r i ni aniy prob
lem?- I admit nothing. on tllhat point.
l ,it. because, oft. y uri: sauspicions
that yeou take that view. You ielem
hlier w;hei ?'r lMetiay took qtficee'f
Yes,~weii liild a g'od ddoefincil up to
then. It was no use going to the
council, they tihought tile clerk was a
white-hai'ed, boy.
Miss Eileen Mlorgini. clerk's assist
ant, 'entered. lie witness-box atnd de
nied that the clirk li h ,i isedt the
.words cominplained, of.
MIl. John .Edmuilnd Caldtwell, re
porter, was called.
SMil. Mle.erye You atteil 'these coun
cil meetings; lfo! miiny have you at
teiided?---About': I'SO or .150.'
'You were present wihe~lt tle engin
er s'sias suspended ?--Yes.
Vlhat diii Lahwsoni say abot{it the
ifiiifites?-s Ile'Odidn 'Ilotn)) :iio liirmy
iug !-alout llwhat theclerkc:: has gdt ili
the nminutea."
Aild ie sa0id tliit.tho; w'erie fakled?
'_ Ais' iit 'lu iso., - - . . .. .
ti iYou donott put everythilig-.lin you
Imave to' suilt the space available?
:Yes, ?bt?li:put everything in L ti bout
thlleisispetiSsiol.
'?, "]3idi.i Lassodi sa. y,. "I doi' . ca-i a
mi-. foi.* -yoiii' c~~Oiiiicil,-.-\ ",es,..
.'- Oh 'aiiindi yet:yoTi saky you put eD veiy
thliugiin.;i - Whyh'did t y0ull iot,. Put- that
flo?poi thip simtmle i'easoti that I
1coiisiiei ed thmat tirle he rosoltitioti
ws asca?'irfed aifd-the e"igiieei'e left the
taile, tl: mairitter :was cliosid '.:'
:-.::The engineeri suggested. tliat. the
mitiuites 'seieo ssro, tittie si
-incli -ect-'Yes, he m':'iiy lia's: e'm
:.Mri: Laivison:' At thtis ieetii;g thisl
"'lbbmbshell"'i ii coinclil; tthiipgs weret
not inori'mal?-No.
T.u. e e?oiidilloi's "were aisiitoed :
ssoul;il'.'i6t. 'ut.? thatitppiel'd'tui'al t'ii
'colncillolrs'?. you : and.l*tlhe 'l prblloient
appeared to be annioyed-:-:-i :., -. - ,
Mi : Doxr,"B.,ail agaii -t'iiteroed. thu" lox,
afiid, geiurally thd'i1iiil'ii:i'tllt "toL r
Lawvsoin hadsaid-"i'M
.Mr. Meyer YOt':Yilhleard; Lawsol say
that yii said ,,'If yo0U cwaiit flighl yoUi
:cati""et itf6'rom nie Did y~ot" say
thust" '€"Nt It N,.?i happenid -
.Yol: kneoy ?liht ;plaits' Vre" drawit,
by, L.twsoiu".Ye, I- just inmentitioned
the irruegallr ty .....
Did you give Lawsoiin :opy of the
hu?lie..ss she et,-Ne' lie wis not ei
titled to it.
"Witnesis said that lie was jolting
whlen hie made theiremark to tile re
porter. Thle replortei', re-called, gaive
cornoul'.itii\,e evideilce.
SThe Comimissioner stated tihat in
due collrse Iris reporlt would be for?
warded to the Cunning Sliloe Couuncil.
Two young aimimen who halid, Ibeen
granted iermlissioni to fly -to Ne-w
Zeutland abandoned itheih' attempt yes
terday., owing to adverse sweather.i
They set out In their. small single-en
giied. Puis Motlh for Geirlingong,-, iin
,tending to takle off tierie for.- New'
Pliymouth. - , - , ' -. .
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